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11/3/2009 12:43:25 PM
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Jeffhaas
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/02/AR2009110202451.html?nav=hcmodule
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11/3/2009 1:08:40 PM
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madoc
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Jeff,
Obama's first year in office? His first YEAR?
Gee, I thought Obama started his term in January. So that means he's only been on the job some nine months and a few days. That doesn't quite equal a year now does it.
Ah but, if he can get a Nobel Prize for doing nothing to deserve it then he can certainly be given credit for a year when only having done nine months of it, right?
So, is this the newspeak of the Obama worshipers Jeff? A year of The One's time equals nine months for the rest of us mere mortals?
And as to Robinson's piece, I really couldn't decide whether he was being sarcastic or not. It was only when I read all the disappointments the guy has with the Zero's failing to fully live up to his Progressive ideologist's demands that I realized Robinson was, in fact, being serious about praising Obama.
I wonder which economists Robinson is referring to who declare the $800 Billion "Stimulus" boondoggle to be a success. More and more of the ones I'm reading are pointing out what a failure and travesty the whole thing is. Even Obama himself is admitting it's coming up short in that he now wants even more money.
Say, Jeff, just how's that job growth thing going? You remember the one, it's where Obama promised we'd be creating tens of thousands of new jobs by this time in the year as a result of that Stimulus Package thing. Odd that were still LOSING jobs by the tens of thousands isn't it. Oh, and those jobs he's now trying to take credit for "saving?" Those turn out to be government employee jobs, not productive worker type jobs. Yup, he's saved the jobs of folks suckling from the taxpayer's teat while the taxpayers themselves are increasingly going unemployed.
Yeah, that's a change we can all believe in! Yes, we can!
Madoc
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11/3/2009 2:11:20 PM
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Jeffhaas
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Jobs will be the last domino to fall in the recovery, Madoc -- you know that -- and one would think you'd be happy that the entire progressive agenda hasn't been enacted yet. We still have three years and three months to remove the obstructionists from our path.
Whether you like it or not, the stimulus will be seen as one of the programs that pulled us out of the Republican Recession, and most of the money hasn't even been spent yet!
Ready for healthcare with a public option? It's coming your way just in time for Christmas.
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11/3/2009 3:14:41 PM
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RandyBeck
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It's rather remarkable (not!) to see lefties say "you know that" jobs always come back last after a recession. They never say it when a Republican is in power. Just imagine how that, and the flu-shot shortage, would be reported if Bush was still in power.
I don't see anything in that column that a Democrat can be proud of -- other than that Nobel Peace Prize. 
The health care bill is a work of shame. We were told it's about giving us the same level of services while lowering prices. It's not, and it never has been. It's about forcing the middle-class uninsured to buy health care coverage while giving politicians more control.
Obama's troop reduction schedule in Iraq was set up by the Bush administration. Same goes for the PATRIOT Act that Robinson didn't dare mention, but Obama quietly signed to keep in place.
His so-called "opposition" to "torture" is itself a very dangerous piece of B.S. The words he's used to paint himself into that corner have left behind a minefield everyone will have to live with for a long, long time.
"Going to Egypt and speaking directly to the Muslim world about cooperation rather than conflict" is more B.S. Bush and Condoleezza Rice have both offered most of the same platitudes. The difference was that Obama has (probably wisely in some cases) given up on the idea that we should openly encourage democracy in the Middle East. He has sided with the ruling classes over there, most visibly during the recent democratic uprisings in Iran. It's shameful, but not surprising.
Gotta agree with Jeff on one thing: It is a good summary of Obama's first year. We'll have to remember this one.
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11/4/2009 2:20:32 PM
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jimbraiden
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"Ready for healthcare with a public option? It's coming your way just in time for Christmas."
Christmas?
But Jeff when last we spoke you said it would be in place by Thanksgiving.
And before that it would be in by the end of September.
And then it was before the recess.
But you are now saying it will definitely be in place by Christmas 2009?
Will that be before or after the last prisoner leaves Guantanamo Bay?
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11/4/2009 3:07:58 PM
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Fabrice D.
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Concerning Obama's Nobel, it reminds me of an Egan story: "The Hundred Light-Years Diary".
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11/5/2009 7:08:50 AM
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Jeffhaas
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But you are now saying it will definitely be in place by Christmas 2009?
Harry Reid-My-Lips is now saying 2010, and I'm not pleased.
Will that be before or after the last prisoner leaves Guantanamo Bay?
You sure seem concerned about those poor prisoners at Gitmo. How come you never mentioned their plight during Dubya's regime?
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11/5/2009 9:33:32 AM
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jimbraiden
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“Harry Reid-My-Lips is now saying 2010, and I'm not pleased.”
Get used to that feeling.
“You sure seem concerned about those poor prisoners at Gitmo. How come you never mentioned their plight during Dubya's regime?”
Not in the least concerned about their “plight”.
Just looking forward to mocking you in Jan when the deadline for Obama’s promised closure of the camp passes.
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11/5/2009 10:17:34 AM
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Jeffhaas
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Just looking forward to mocking you...
Hey, wait your turn. Us idealists are always being mocked for our utopian dreams.
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
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11/5/2009 11:03:28 AM
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Jeffhaas
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This just in: House healthcare bill will pass on Sat with AARP support.
The dominoe's keep falling, and my idealism rebounds!
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11/5/2009 11:33:21 AM
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jimbraiden
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This just in: House healthcare bill will pass on Sat with AARP support
Not quite true Jeff.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125735080387728185.html#mod=todays_us_page_one
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11/5/2009 11:51:00 AM
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madoc
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Jeff,
Jeffhaas wrote:
This just in: House healthcare bill will pass on Sat with AARP support.
The dominoe's keep falling, and my idealism rebounds!
I'll believe it when it actually happens. Happens like it was supposed to have already taken place as of early summer. Then as of late summer. Then before September. Then the Healthcare bill was to have been passed by October. Then certainly been passed before November's elections. And now you're saying it'll be a done deal by Saturday? Umm.... okay.
The Democrats are now rushing to get this through before the full import of Tuesday's results sinks in. And they're continuing to fail at that. The Blue Dogs are seeing the writing on the wall and do not want to flush their careers down the tubes in trying to support Obama's travesty.
No Jeff, there'll be more delays here. And more delays. And the more delays there'll be the less support the bill will have and the less support it has the more it'll be delayed. If this thing was gonna pass it would've happened already. It would've happened months ago when Obama's popularity was much higher and when millions of Americans had yet to see the details of this travesty. The longer it lingers in Congress the deader it gets.
Most folk I know who are AARP members are well and truly disgusted with the AARP's leadership for having sold them out. Thus the "support" of the AARP is but an empty thing and Congresscritters know that.
We'll see come Saturday what happens.
Madoc
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11/5/2009 12:27:09 PM
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Jeffhaas
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Really, Jim, the Wall Street Journal? Have you no shame?
Now I'm hearing that Reid backpedalled from his healthcare slide into 2010, and we're still looking at Christmas.
You guys should be happy about this. After all, you're not getting any younger!
You'll be pleased to know that my wife and I recently were invited to join AARP but decided against it because we see them as just another single-minded lobby. True Americans care about the common good, not just themselves.
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edited by Jeffhaas on 11/5/2009
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11/5/2009 6:44:25 PM
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jimbraiden
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Jeff,
Not a whit.
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11/5/2009 8:04:12 PM
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T Radigan
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Jeffhaas wrote:
You'll be pleased to know that my wife and I recently were invited to join AARP but decided against it because we see them as just another single-minded lobby. True Americans care about the common good, not just themselves.
Originally, AARP wasn't meant to be a political lobby, but simply a financial organization for retirees.
I'm a member of the Illinois Citizens Utility Board. Yes, it's a narrow-minded lobbying group, but how else do we take on our local utilities if we have problems with them?
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11/5/2009 9:16:34 PM
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madoc
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Jeff,
Jeffhaas wrote:
Us idealists are always being mocked for our utopian dreams.
And rightly so.
Utopian idealists have been responsible for some of the worst examples of inhumanity and mass slaughter in history. Intrinsic in idealists is the belief that man can be "made better" through "social measures." That means coercion in one form or another and it always - ALWAYS - turns out bloody when implemented. Such absolutism does not tolerate individuals, individuality or any divergence from the Utopian Ideals.
Yours is prescription for misery, impoverishment, and mass human slaughter. Yes, Jeff, you do deserve to be mocked for such "dreams."
Madoc
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11/5/2009 9:32:42 PM
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Jeffhaas
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Better to be idealistic than cynical like you, Madoc.
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11/5/2009 9:49:49 PM
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madoc
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Jeff,
Jeffhaas wrote:
Better to be idealistic than cynical like you, Madoc.
Cynic? Hardly. Realist? Yes, assuredly.
Besides, idealists bring about suffering and death in job lots. Look back at even the past few decades and you'll see that. It was idealists who started the Soviet Revolution and instituted the Communist state there. It was idealists who started the National Socialist Workers Party in German and the Fascist Party in Italy. It was idealists who brought about the Communist Revolution in China. Pol Pot was in idealist Jeff. No "cynic" he. Over a million Cambodians found themselves in the way of his idealism and Utopian plans. Che Guevara was an idealist to. He slaughtered human beings relentlessly in pursuit of his idealistic desires.
Sorry Jeff, your way has but a history of misery and death.
Interesting though, how many an idealist manages to avoid dealing with such realities. Interesting to how so many an idealist manages to live quite well as millions die as a result of his idealism.
Madoc
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11/6/2009 7:59:08 PM
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jimbraiden
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Just to show I really don't have any shame:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33717968/ns/politics-health_care_reform
Looks like it won't be passing this Saturday.
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11/7/2009 9:39:48 AM
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jimbraiden
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And here is Barack Obama providing further evidence - if more was needed- of just how inept a president he is.
This is his press conference following the Fort Hood shootings.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/05/quote-of-the-day-576/
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