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11/4/2009 10:40:54 PM
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Thomas R
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I guess it's been ten years this June since it ended. Maybe it fits the Trekkie deal, but figured why not?
I know Gardner didn't care for it, but I really liked it. Well until Dukat became, in essence, the devil and Sisko turned out to be the child of a Prophet. Also Jadzia's death. It got too weird after that.
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11/5/2009 1:12:34 PM
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John Thiel
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Jadzia seemed to die as an afterthought. After surviving any number of major confrontations, she got shot down in a situation set aside from the action, taken by surprise by who it was who shot her, but it was not dramatically emphasized and it seemed like they would say the shot wasn't fatal for awhile, but they got around to saying it had been. In other words, it looked real instead of like drama.
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11/6/2009 10:28:19 AM
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Bill Moonroe
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It was one of my favorite Trek epsiode, primarily as it got weird towards the end. Let's face it, the Trek series at its best has been about the guys on the front deciding the stuffed shirts back home don't know what they're talking about, so let's do what we want, anyway. What could be more fitting than a frontier captain siding with the spiritual natives instead of his humanist superiors?
As an aside... we've gotten a new computer system at work. The old system was the library catalog version of "Pong", and really has not changed much since we got it in 1994. The new system corresponds to "Wii". We're having a few glitches and a bit of an adjustment, you might say. When O'Brien has the conflict with the Kardassian computer system on DS9, well, I'm starting to relate to that.
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11/6/2009 11:08:38 AM
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hal maclean
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John Thiel wrote:
Jadzia seemed to die as an afterthought. After surviving any number of major confrontations, she got shot down in a situation set aside from the action, taken by surprise by who it was who shot her, but it was not dramatically emphasized and it seemed like they would say the shot wasn't fatal for awhile, but they got around to saying it had been. In other words, it looked real instead of like drama.
I think there was some sort of contract dispute so they decided to kill off the actress.
(a strange choice of words actually  I mean they recycled the character with a new actress the next season, not that they murdered her. )
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11/6/2009 11:11:31 AM
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hal maclean
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DS9 was my favorite trek series. I really liked the religious themes, perhaps because they are so rare in those sorts of shows. Plus the development of the secondary and tertiary characters. Wasn't there an episode dealing with the guy who sat at the bar and never spoke? Something about him faking his death and then all his heir showing up to squabble over his estate?
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11/6/2009 7:30:13 PM
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John Thiel
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"Who Mourns For Morn?" was the name of that episode. Here I get my first chance ever to be on the ball with the answer to an episode question. Later on another series was titled "Who Mourns for----" and here I don't recall what series it was or who was being mourned or not mourned, but it made me wonder what the first instance of this resonating title may have been. (It may be the original series had an episode called "Who Mourns for...." and then named a Greek god.) (Anyway, you can see why that succinct and concise answer was my first chance to be on the ball.)
On the forum board at Syfy under the ST topics there have been frequent posters saying their favorite ST series has been DS9, but I have always wondered if they were people cheering for the underdog. There's something a bit retard about this series.
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11/6/2009 7:32:59 PM
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John Thiel
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There's another episode which you're describing better with "all the heirs wrangling about the estate." Morn didn't have that many people involved. The other episode was about the Ferangi and Quark was the other center of attention with Ferangi inheritance being under dispute.
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11/6/2009 9:16:39 PM
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pc
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Hal writes,
perhaps because they are so rare in those sorts of shows
I quite agree.
Plus, the whole Bajoran-Cardassion thing reflects parts of our modern Earth all too well.
The show Supernatural is jumping into highbrow theological waters with both feet.
Last night's "TV Land" episode was very clever, and artfully done. My son and I were bozzled by the fake commercial.
They've even got a big hunt for God going on. (Did they hire Philip Pullman as a script writer???)
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11/6/2009 9:22:08 PM
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gdozois
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God is either everywhere, in everything, or nowhere. Hunting for him has always seemed pointless to me.
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11/6/2009 11:08:57 PM
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Lee S
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Well, Gardner, hunting for God is also a bad idea because there's that little-known eleventh commandment, the one that got lost when Moses smashed the tablets after coming down from his sugar high, er, I mean, Mt. Ararrat:
"I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt point no AK-47's at me."
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11/7/2009 10:05:01 AM
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philwithbeard
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hal maclean wrote:
... Wasn't there an episode dealing with the guy who sat at the bar and never spoke...?
I know most who read this forum already know this, but sorry I cannot help myself from posting again...
Morn spelled backwards is of course Norm; you know, from the TV series Cheers. And the character Norm (in Cheers) had lots of lines in every episode, and all the time, well the backwards of that is Morn not talking? Right?
Also, there is a DVD I saw of the actor who played Quark talking about his take on the role he portrayed. The actor talked about so many 'Aliens' are portrayed as having physical differences. But Quark really was a very uptight conservative orthodox believer in the moral code of his planet of origin. A very moral man with and rigid adherence to the Rule of Acquisition. The moral ethics Quark obeyed attempted to demonstrate that Alien cultural differences could be far, far more disconcerting than mere physical differences. The Klingon's warrior casting was some throw back to Northern European Viking folklore tradition, but Quark was supposed to be a civilized, educated, and verbally smooth talker. Just his cultural moral code was very divergent from humans and most of the Federation. In other word, I guess, so many times Aliens are portrayed as different physically from us humans, but under the skin we are very similar. Quark was portrayed as being non-threatening alien physically, but not similar underneath.
Also, notice the one other character who was the most discriminatory against Quark;s behavior had little exposure to the Federation prior to the start of the DS-9 series, even if that character was the local chief of security and local police force. I kept expecting an episode where (in a side-sub plot) Sisko is force to order 'Cultural Tolerance and Acceptance of Alien Cultures' training for all star fleet officers, and DS-9 Staff officers. With the usual staff protesting they don't discriminate, and some of their best friends are....
The Alien Cultural discrimination charge would be, of course filed by Brunt (sp?) of the F-C-A (Ferangi Counting Agency) against Morn, and the station staff, for a personal slur that occurred in the body waste facility (john) when Brunt temporarily closed Quarks bar. I know, it didn't happen and never would have.
Phil
edited by philwithbeard on 11/7/2009
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11/7/2009 11:15:01 AM
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TonySmith
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I hate to spoil your story, but Morn spelled backwards is, in fact, Nrom. That does sound like a character from DEEP SPACE NINE though.
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11/7/2009 1:00:13 PM
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John E. Rogers, Jr.
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Maybe Nrom is the Star Trek equivalent of cd-rom. Data storage in the Nth dimension.
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11/7/2009 1:08:24 PM
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pc
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I always liked how, if somebody walked into Quark's, then he or another regular would often say, "I was just talking with Morn here about . . . "
But of course, we never ever actually heard Morn say a word.
Been seeing Leeta the Dabo Girl around the local SF Cons, a.k.a. Chase Masterson. Turns out she's an excellent singer, and she got some of Sinatra's (and other Rat Pack guy's) original band members to record for her lounge-style numbers. Really belts 'em out!
Vic Fontaine would be proud.
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edited by pc on 11/7/2009
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11/8/2009 5:24:38 AM
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Thomas R
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Morn is an intentional anagram of Norm, but yeah it's not "Norm spelled backwards."
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To God be humble, to thy friend be kind, and with thy neighbors gladly lend and borrow His chance is tonight it might be thine tomorrow - William Dunbar
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11/8/2009 9:34:53 PM
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Bill Moonroe
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Thomas R wrote:
Morn is an intentional anagram of Norm, but yeah it's not "Norm spelled backwards."
Morn's an anagram? Funny, he didn't seem like that type...just goes to show you never can tell.
edited to add:
Oh. I thought you were implying that Morn did improper things with gerunds. That would have gotten the show's producers into quite a bit of tribble.
edited by Bill Moonroe on 11/9/2009
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11/9/2009 6:03:11 PM
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Lee S
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"tribble" ?
Don't you mean "flat cats" ? If you did really mean "flat cats", I'm not sure I want to stand under the pun you were trying to make.
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11/9/2009 8:25:46 PM
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Kevin C.
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It actually hails to an ancient Klingon blessing: "May all your tribbles be little ones."
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