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<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:01:01 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from bluetyson</title>
<description><![CDATA[Each bit should be the same size, but you will have more spare, now. <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0>]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:01:01 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from jasonkchapman</title>
<description><![CDATA[I'm disappointed with the new format. The bits in my electronic edition are the same size as they used to be, and my Sony Reader didn't get any thinner.]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:42:42 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from jwl</title>
<description><![CDATA[Other than the anomaly the new size creates on the bookshelf, I think the new format is okay. You hardly notice it when you read it. It basically looks and feels the same.]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:32:09 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from K. E. Spires</title>
<description><![CDATA[I like it. I just got done with a year's worth of F&SF and this just feels better when I read. I wouldn't even mind the full magazine size. It's easier to fold back pages while I'm reading than in the smaller, regular digest mag.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:05:57 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from RobinA</title>
<description><![CDATA[I like the new format, without reservation.  In fact, since it gives us a better look at the cover art, I like it maybe even a little bit more, now.  <br/><br/>Now, if it would arrive in my mailbox without looking like it'd been attacked by bears, I'd be even more happy.  <br/><br/>A good move, all around, I think.]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:54:11 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Byron Bailey</title>
<description><![CDATA[Yeah,  I'd say any editor who publishes her magazine on toilet paper with crayons needs to be canned.  A National Endowment for the Arts grant might be in order, though.]]></description>
<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:33:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from themasterknitter</title>
<description><![CDATA[They might try printing Asimov's in crayon.<br/><br/>That might save some money.<br/><br/>Another move might be to print Asimov's on toilet paper printed in crayon.<br/><br/>Better thing might be to get a different editor.]]></description>
<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:37:38 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Marian</title>
<description><![CDATA[Okay, i finally compared the new to the old(I had taken the new to work with me so couldn't compare it).  The difference is truly slight; slightly larger, slightly thinner.  If not comparing them, you wouldn't notice.]]></description>
<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:32:42 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from R.Wilder</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>Marian wrote</b>:<br/><br/>December has arrived! I truly do not see the new format. <br/><br/><br/><br/>So... if you lay it over previous issues the difference in size is... what? Any difference? <br/><br/>You mentioned at a glance no difference.  More detail, please.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:43:14 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Marian</title>
<description><![CDATA[bumping this up for comments as people receive theirs.<img src="images/smilies/bump.gif" border="0" alt="Bump" />]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:27:19 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Marian</title>
<description><![CDATA[Just received December and can't tell any difference at a glance.<br/><br/>Sudukopia???<img src="images/smilies/coffee26at.gif" border="0" alt="Drink" />]]></description>
<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:57:55 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Bill Moonroe</title>
<description><![CDATA[Back to the format thing...anything that prevents it from becoming Asimov's Sudokutopia Digest is a good thing.]]></description>
<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:46:02 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from John E. Rogers, Jr.</title>
<description><![CDATA[Bill,<br/><br/>Nicely put. I see your point. I'll definitely speak to some of my dumber, uh, I mean, more cooperative clients about the whole blood-smear thing!<br/><br/>You know, you've very astutely touched on something that we deal with at work quite a bit.<br/><br/>The eternal life span of the Old Ones has long troubled us in the Estate Planning field. We've struggled mightily with meaningful trust language. Of what value is a "Living Trust" to a couple, Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Old One, who won't ever die? What good is the unlimited interspousal exemption at death for federal estate tax purposes to a husband and wife who will stay together forever? How does the <i>Rule Against Perpetuities </i>actually work when your clients are, umm, perpetual?<br/><br/>There are certain addressable issues, though:<br/><br/>1)   Distribution in the event of permanent transition to noncorporal form;<br/>2)   Standard State of California probate conservatorship in the event of transdimensional psychotic break;<br/>3)   Periodic non-taxable consumption of human slaves to prevent overcrowding in the mind-shattering, non-Euclidean nightmare-place they call home;<br/>4)   Discounted annual gifting to various Cthulhu Charities (often called Cthularities, for convenience) - organizations like Society for the Prevention of Caring for Animals (the "SPCA"), the American Heartless Association, the Young Men's Cruelty Association ("YMCA"), and so forth.<br/><br/>-John]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:06:20 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Bill Moonroe</title>
<description><![CDATA[Sorry, John.  Normally, the Old Ones wouldn't be involved in anything so menial, but I figured they'd make an exception in Byron's case.  When they come to claim him, well, an Ark that's bigger on the inside than it is on the outside makes a pretty good ice chest for a feeding frenzy picnic.  Perhaps one of your partners at work would have connections to the Old Ones.<br/><br/>Things like car trunks tend to be delegated to the Middle-Aged Ones, who, as they're stuck in an eternal mid-life crisis, have already gotten involved in the car trunk arena.  However, their magic makes the trunks seem much bigger than they are, inversely proportional to what you want to fit in there.  Jewelry and other small valuables, well, that's why your car trunk looks a light-year wide.  A leaking family sized bucket from Gefelte Hut will shrink the car trunk to the size of a peanut.  That's from the passive-aggressive Middle-Aged Ones.  On top of everything else, they're upset at how the eternal nature of the Old Ones is going to affect the probate process.<br/><br/>John, you may want to appease the Middle-Aged Ones by smearing the blood of the innocents on the car trunk.  Preferably not just someone you back over in the Glendale Galleria parking lot, but perhaps one of your clients would be glad to donate to a worthy cause. <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0>]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:57:26 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from John E. Rogers, Jr.</title>
<description><![CDATA[Bill,<br/><br/>Do you think the Old Ones might consider that kind of interior maximizing for the trunk of my wife's Toyota Camry? It would make coming back from the grocery much easier.<br/><br/>You know, that might be a nice way for them to pull in some extra cash - for spending money on extradimensional forays, long weekends in Hell, terror-turnarounds to Vegas, etc. They could open a shop on the westside - maybe on La Cienega south of the 10 Freeway. <i>Old Ones's Trunk and Glove Compartment Enlarging Services, Inc. </i><br/><br/>John]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:09:03 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Bill Moonroe</title>
<description><![CDATA[You could use the power of the Old Ones to make the Ark bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.  Or hire a fleet of elves with precision toenail clippers to trim off millimeters of magazine at a time until it fits well enough to fold in half and make it fit.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:39:30 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from EThomas</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>Byron Bailey</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>What does this change in size do to those of us who in the spirit of the Ark of the Covenant, have built a snug and cozy shelter made of gold and precious stones for our Asimov's and now find that the new Asimov's won't fit in the damn box?</div><br/><br/>You think outside the box. <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0><br/><br/>Seriously, I already have two sizes of <i>Asimov's</i>, so I guess a third (as long as there isn't that much difference) will be okay.<br/><br/><i>edit 'cause it is two, not to</i><br/><em>edited by EThomas on 9/16/2008</em>]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:52:33 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Byron Bailey</title>
<description><![CDATA[What does this change in size do to those of us who in the spirit of the Ark of the Covenant, have built a snug and cozy shelter made of gold and precious stones for our Asimov's and now find that the new Asimov's won't fit in the damn box?]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:34:38 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from RandyBeck</title>
<description><![CDATA[That's okay, Sheila.  I wouldn't sacrifice words for columns either.<br/><br/>I'm just saying, if it ever doesn't make a difference, I'll want columns.<br/><br/>This makes me wonder, and I hate to bring it up, does this mean we might one day go to one column for non-fiction?  And what was the thinking behind the way it is now with two columns for non-fiction?]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:30:27 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Sheila Williams</title>
<description><![CDATA[Randy, I sympathize with you, but two columns would mean a further reduction in word count. I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:10:56 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from RandyBeck</title>
<description><![CDATA[Yes, I like the size for that reason.<br/><br/>I prefer narrower columns, though, as I have a cut in my visual field.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:28:16 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from EThomas</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>RandyBeck</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>That's a workable size.  I was afraid we'd get 8x11.<br/><br/>Sadly, from my perspective, this suggests the fiction may remain one wide column rather than two.</div><br/><br/>Me too, that would have been terrible. I'm rather guilty to say that I am happy the fiction is likely going to be in book form rather than column form, since I like it better set up like a book. (g)]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:23:44 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from RandyBeck</title>
<description><![CDATA[That's a workable size.  I was afraid we'd get 8x11.<br/><br/>Sadly, from my perspective, this suggests the fiction may remain one wide column rather than two.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:16:46 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from EThomas</title>
<description><![CDATA[All in all, it doesn't sound like too big of a change...bummed we are going to lose a bit of fiction, though. At least there is precedent for the size having changed once before, and it worked out okay.]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:16:05 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from EThomas</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>Sheila Williams</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>The change takes effect with our December issue. As we say in the October/November next issue box: " The reason for the change is nothing to be alarmed by. Paper and production costs have presented [us] with a choice: increase subscription rates and single-issue costs to retain the old format, or adopt a slightly different size and return our current prices."  <br/><br/>The new size is called an L trim (5 7/8" x 8 5/8"). The page count will be reduced from 144 to 112. Since the new pages are larger than the old pages, the actual volume lost is about 8 pages or 4,000 words. I've made some minor changes that reduce any further word loss. <br/><br/>My December editorial provides a brief history of SF magazine sizes.</div><br/><br/>Thanks for the response!]]></description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:28:15 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Sheila Williams</title>
<description><![CDATA[According to my ruler, 5 1/4" x 8 5/16". The new magazine will be 5/8" wider and 5/16" taller.]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:08:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from John Thiel</title>
<description><![CDATA[That sounds like the way magazines were during the depression and the war.  SF sort of went bust in many ways then.  I hope the new format equals everything out.  I'll wait to see what size it is, myself.]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:02:01 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from bluetyson</title>
<description><![CDATA[How big is it now?]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:27:34 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Sheila Williams</title>
<description><![CDATA[The change takes effect with our December issue. As we say in the October/November next issue box: " The reason for the change is nothing to be alarmed by. Paper and production costs have presented [us] with a choice: increase subscription rates and single-issue costs to retain the old format, or adopt a slightly different size and return our current prices."  <br/><br/>The new size is called an L trim (5 7/8" x 8 5/8"). The page count will be reduced from 144 to 112. Since the new pages are larger than the old pages, the actual volume lost is about 8 pages or 4,000 words. I've made some minor changes that reduce any further word loss. <br/><br/>My December editorial provides a brief history of SF magazine sizes.]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:09:28 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from John E. Rogers, Jr.</title>
<description><![CDATA[TCK,<br/><br/>The tentacularity of the new magazine was, of course, much debated.<br/><br/>In the end, we felt that the best approach was to wait and see if the new look "grabbed" our readers before we introduced significant muscular hydrostatics.<br/><br/>Regards,<br/><br/>John]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:46:44 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from The Cthulhu Kid</title>
<description><![CDATA[John, I didn't see any mention of tentacles on your list of changes.  Are they included as part of  the standard tropes of romance like bodice ripping or is Robert Silverberg going to have to add the tentacles in with the flying baby carriages?]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:24:06 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from John E. Rogers, Jr.</title>
<description><![CDATA[Thanks, E. and Randy! <br/><br/>I'm proud to have been a part of such a grand exercise.<br/><br/>Nice thought about the wrestling, Randy. I can see I should have consulted with you early on. Alas . . . .]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:12:40 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from RandyBeck</title>
<description><![CDATA[Good one, John.<br/><br/>Sadly, I wasn't sure you were joking until you got to "Third".<br/><br/>You forgot about the wrestling section, since it works so well for the SciFi channel.]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:09:04 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from EThomas</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>John E. Rogers, Jr.</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>E.,<br/><br/>Sheila and Brian hired me earlier this year to oversee a revolutionary redesign of the magazine.<br/><br/>I did some research and determined that the following changes were best:<br/><br/>First, we're moving to Rolling Stone (pre-shrink) format - that's 10 x 11 3/4 - megamag.  <br/><br/>Second, we'll be cycling in contemporary romance stories - to beef up sales. Approximately one-third of the fiction will be by Jude Devereaux and Linda Howard (they'll alternate each month).<br/><br/>Third, we've re-tasked Robert Silverberg. His new job is to read all these romance stories and "science fictionalize" them - throw in things like flying baby carriages, love-lorn, all-too-human chambermaid robots, and bizarre time-space anomalies that allow desperate lovers to "turn back the clock" and reclaim the joy they thought they'd lost forever. Wonderful, thought-provoking stuff like that!<br/><br/>Fourth,  hard science fiction will still be published, though less frequently. However, all stories will be detechnofied so as to be understandable by our new romantic audience. I've developed a program - Bowdlerizer Mark IV - for this purpose.<br/><br/>Fifth, the new title of the magazine  will be Isaac's Out of this World Love Emporium.<br/><br/>Anyway. Those are the bigger changes.<br/><br/>I know you'll like them, <br/><br/>No wait - I mean you'll <i>love</i> them!<br/><br/>All the best,<br/><br/>John<br/><br/><br/><img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0></div><br/><br/>John,<br/><br/>Thanks for the clear, prompt answer on the proposed changes. I'm especially excited by the flying baby carriages and new title "Isaac's Out of this World Love Emporium."<br/><br/>With affection,<br/>E.]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:53:09 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from John E. Rogers, Jr.</title>
<description><![CDATA[E.,<br/><br/>Sheila and Brian hired me earlier this year to oversee a revolutionary redesign of the magazine.<br/><br/>I did some research and determined that the following changes were best:<br/><br/>First, we're moving to Rolling Stone (pre-shrink) format - that's 10 x 11 3/4 - megamag.  <br/><br/>Second, we'll be cycling in contemporary romance stories - to beef up sales. Approximately one-third of the fiction will be by Jude Devereaux and Linda Howard (they'll alternate each month).<br/><br/>Third, we've re-tasked Robert Silverberg. His new job is to read all these romance stories and "science fictionalize" them - throw in things like flying baby carriages, love-lorn, all-too-human chambermaid robots, and bizarre time-space anomalies that allow desperate lovers to "turn back the clock" and reclaim the joy they thought they'd lost forever. Wonderful, thought-provoking stuff like that!<br/><br/>Fourth,  hard science fiction will still be published, though less frequently. However, all stories will be detechnofied so as to be understandable by our new romantic audience. I've developed a program - Bowdlerizer Mark IV - for this purpose.<br/><br/>Fifth, the new title of the magazine  will be Isaac's Out of this World Love Emporium.<br/><br/>Anyway. Those are the bigger changes.<br/><br/>I know you'll like them, <br/><br/>No wait - I mean you'll <i>love</i> them!<br/><br/>All the best,<br/><br/>John<br/><br/><br/><img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0>]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:37:20 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from EThomas</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>John Thiel</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>And when will this format change occur?</div><br/><br/>The only information I can find is on this thread, where Fabrice says clearly that the change will take in December.]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:32:14 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from John Thiel</title>
<description><![CDATA[And when will this format change occur?]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:20:23 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from EThomas</title>
<description><![CDATA[Where is the link to the relevant thread(s) on the <i>Analog</i> forum?]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:05:31 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from RandyBeck</title>
<description><![CDATA[And how many columns?]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:59:06 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from EThomas</title>
<description><![CDATA[How much larger? (I like them the size they are!) <img src="images/smilies/upset.gif" border=0><br/><br/>How much (if any) fiction are we going to lose?<br/><br/>Brian? Sheila?]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:43:05 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from gdozois</title>
<description><![CDATA[No idea.  I'm out of the loop these days.  Did you ask over at ANALOG?]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:15:35 GMT</pubDate>
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