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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Mark Pontin</title>
<description><![CDATA[Nor would it be GS alone at the U.S. trough of this globally-scaled Enron-style trading scheme. In its own words, JPMorgan Chase, for instance, says that --<br/><br/>"By establishing itself as a leader in sustainability, J.P. Morgan plans to play a role in shaping what may be the next era in global business – an era in which corporate responsibility and financial success go hand-in-hand...  <br/> J.P. Morgan has adopted sustainability as a necessary component of success and longevity ... J.P. Morgan's sustainability practices (include) helping clients navigate environmental markets, etcetera."<br/><a href="http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/jpmorgan/investbk/solutions/ssf/sustainability?source=banner" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/jpmorgan/investbk/solutions/ssf/sustainability?source=banner</a><br/><br/><br/>The Obama administration has estimated that about $646 billion worth of carbon credits will be auctioned in the first seven years; one top Obama economic aides speculates that the real number might be twice or even three times that amount. What especially appeals to speculators is that the "cap" on carbon will be continually lowered by the government, which means that carbon credits will become more and more scarce with each passing year. <br/><br/>In other words, this is a brand new commodities market where the main commodity to be traded is guaranteed to rise in price over time. <u>The volume of this new market will be upwards of a trillion dollars annually; for comparison's sake, the annual combined revenues of all electricity suppliers in the U.S. total $320 billion."</u>]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Mark Pontin</title>
<description><![CDATA[<i>be skeptical about ALL attempts to use environmental issues to push government aggrandizing</i><br/><br/>With deference to conventional American memes (pieties) re. big government, it's not that alone I worry about. Because buying a politician can be, after all, the best, cheapest investment -- if one is a big dog seeking the really big payoffs -- that one can make. Thus, for instance, Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Olympia Snow (R-ME) have introduced a bill to make the Commodity Futures Trading Commission the sole regulator of the carbon market created by cap-and-trade legislation. Guess what?<br/><br/>    * The current chairman of the CFTC is Gary Gensler, formerly of Goldman Sachs.<br/>    * Goldman Sachs has spent millions of dollars lobbying for cap-and-trade legislation in anticipation of making billions of dollars at the expense taxpayers and consumers.<br/>    * Goldman has a special exemption from the CFTC to exceed the trading limits normally placed on commodity speculators. Not only was this exemption secret for 17 years, the CFTC recently had to ask Goldman for permission to release the letter to Congress!<br/>    * Goldman Sachs employees are heavy contributors to the Democratic Party giving it over $4.4. million in the last election. Barack Obama received more than $997,000, Feinstein received $24,250, and Snowe received $17,000 from Goldman. <br/><br/>And where would these carbon credits be traded, anyway? <br/><br/>Well, on exchanges like the Chicago Climate Exchange, which GS owns a 10 percent stake in. Moreover, Goldman owns a minority stake in Blue Source LLC, a Utah-based firm that sells carbon credits of the type that will be in great demand if the bill passes. Nobel Prize winner Al Gore, intimately involved with the planning of cap-and-trade, started up a company called Generation Investment Management with three former bigwigs from Goldman Sachs Asset Management: David Blood, Mark Ferguson and Peter Harris. Their business? Investing in carbon offsets.]]></description>
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<title>Anti Religious Authors in SF - Message from Sam Wilson</title>
<description><![CDATA[An anti-religious atheist zealot can not, by definition, be a villain.  <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0>]]></description>
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<title>2012 - Message from Sam Wilson</title>
<description><![CDATA[They will be in <b>2012: THE NEXT GENERATION.</b>  EVERY DEAD BODY from the first movie will attack the arks.]]></description>
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<title>Movies - Winter 2009-10 - Message from Marian</title>
<description><![CDATA[Pirate Radio is a lot of fun.   Great 60's rock music.   I hadn't known any of the history but in the early Sixties, the British wouldn't play rock on the radio so pirate radio stations set up on boats and broadcast from there.   The movie is pure fiction but the music and the background are real.   Here's the true story <a href="http://radiolondon.co.uk/kneesflashes/stationprofile/hist.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://radiolondon.co.uk/kneesflashes/stationprofile/hist.html</a>]]></description>
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<title>2012 - Message from Marian</title>
<description><![CDATA[A zombie attack!!! That's what 2012 was lacking!!!  Why oh why didn't the director consult you ahead of time?]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:48:18 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Newsmax: How 'Bout " civilized " Military Coup ? - Message from AspE</title>
<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/09/full_text_of_newsmax_column_suggesting_military_co.php?ref=fpblg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/09/full_text_of_newsmax_column_suggesting_military_co.php?ref=fpblg</a><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/>Conservative mag Newsmax ran a colum suggesting a military coup against Obama would be a peachy-keen neat thing ( Note: There was some vague " Not to REALLY suggest it...hh hh hh " distancing in the immortal prose . ) , until giving in to the forces of poiltical correctness and taking it down ! Like taking down the Star Spangled Banner or Iwo Jima flags !!!!!!!!! Like not , like William Kristol and others during Bush II's run , suggesting that the New York Times and Washington Post be peosecuted for whatever that was that was traitourous that they did !!!!!!!!! Somebody else kept it up . So .<br/>edited by AspE on 11/20/2009<br/>edited by AspE on 11/20/2009<br/>edited by AspE on 11/20/2009<br/><em>edited by AspE on 11/20/2009</em>]]></description>
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<title>Pragmatism - Message from Bill Gleason</title>
<description><![CDATA[I've never started at topic in the Asimov basement before. In fact, I don't think I've ever started a topic here at all. But my hope is that the basement here isn't as non-deliberative as its reputation would suggest, and that a worthwhile political discussion can exist in this thread. We'll see.<br/><br/>The focus of this thread, as the title would imply, is a discussion of the pragmatic consequences of various proposed national emphases. Obviously, from healthcare to Afghanistan to North Korea and beyond, this is a wide-open topic. The only rule is that the posts focus on what the realistic outcomes of various efforts might be, both pro and con.<br/><br/>To kick it off, though tempted to take a domestic policy course, I'll take Northeast Asia, and in particular, North Korea.<br/><br/>What is the best course in that region? I suggest it is a decisive push for reunification of North and South Korea. A combined military invasion/pacification of North Korea via coordinated military offensive from South Korea, Japan, Russia, China, and the U.S. seems the best geopolitical move---if we can pull it off.<br/><br/>North Korea is a dinosaur. Their GDP is a pittance compared with its neighbors. It boasts the largest army in the world, and most of them are standing about 25 miles from Seoul, but are they really dedicated infantry? Will they fight to the death against far-advanced resistance? I don't think so. I think they're not so brainwashed as Kim Jong-Il thinks they are.<br/><br/>And communism aside, do we need a dictatorship there, disrupting the regional balance of power, retarding economic development? Escpecially since toppling it wouldn't be hard if/when China finally accepts the inevitable? Certainly we shouldn't let this tiny, misguided country blackmail the world with the threat of nuclear development and proliferation. South Korea wants reunification (and so, I think, does the population of North Korea, really). I say we give it to them.<br/><br/>As I see it, the only real stumbling blocks is for the invading coalition to predetermine the disposition of the existent political regime in North Korea. That and convincing China and Russia to go along with it. Might be a few provinces to give up, which a unified Korea might later try to regain in The Hague, but wouldn't we all breathe a lot easier if that was the outcome?<br/><br/>Is this not a pragmatic approach?]]></description>
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<title>2012 - Message from Sam Wilson</title>
<description><![CDATA[<u>John E. Rogers, Jr. wrote</u><br/><br/><b>I appreciated the quiet, understated tone of the film. Thoughtful. Unhurried. Eschewing special effects and loud explosions in favor of the hidden pain and angst caused by the coming disaster. In fact, set for the most part in the dimly lit interior of an English country manor. Lots of staring out windows. Hugging. Tearful poetry reading. Private grief. Men and women getting in touch with their feelings. Wind soughing through bare trees. Solitary figures on garden paths. Almost Merchant-Ivory material. Magnificent.</b><br/><br/>I got the Director's Cut, on a DVD screener the studio sends out to industry members.  Same as you describe, except for the added zombie attack on the manor and the asteroid strike.]]></description>
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<title>Bang! Pow! - Message from John Thiel</title>
<description><![CDATA[Just watching a couple of episodes of INVASION today ("The Last Wave Goodbye", named after a Dylan Thomas poem, and "Lights Out", named after an old TV fear series) and I noted their disaster special effects were especially good, at least on these two episodes, though nothing else about the episodes were especially good.  But I was thinking as I watched about how people like to watch things happen to a bunch of people and this reaction of liking that can only be considered sexual. In "The Last Wave" the actors were doing it for such people and the cameramen kept it tightened up so that it wouldn't jangle the audience too much.  The scene where they were all run off the wharf into the water was definitely orgasmic.]]></description>
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<title>Movies - Winter 2009-10 - Message from Sam Wilson</title>
<description><![CDATA[Read that the Coen Brothers are remaking TRUE GRIT.  Not a joke.  NO COUNTRY FOR ROOSTER COGBURN will star Jeff Bridges, Josh Brolin and Matt Damon.  (Made up the new title, but the rest is true.)<br/><br/>Supposed to be a more accurate reflection of the novel, which was cleaned up, like the novel for THE SHOOTIST, for John Wayne's image when he did the movie.]]></description>
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<title>Stargate Universe - Message from John Thiel</title>
<description><![CDATA[Mayhap they think the Gate has a cult following. (If it does, they surely must have rioted over "Seth".)]]></description>
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<title>A CUPFUL OF SPACE by Mildred Clingerman - Message from John Thiel</title>
<description><![CDATA[What's your avatar, Brian?  Looks like a cuban bossa nova player, maybe.]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Loki</title>
<description><![CDATA[Byron, and I'm sad that I'll never behold the mighty dodo.<br/><br/>If anyone doubts what the whole AGW fraud is really about, here it is out of the horse's ass's mouth:<br/><br/><a href="http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/new-eu-president-confirms-new-world-order-desire-19nov09/17989978" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/new-eu-president-confirms-new-world-order-desire-19nov09/17989978</a><br/><br/>Hate to say I Told You So...(actually, I love saying it!)]]></description>
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<title>2012 - Message from Sam Wilson</title>
<description><![CDATA[Marian, one reason I liked THE LOST WORLD: JURASSIC PARK was that the t-rex eats the family dog in the back yard.  <br/><br/>2012 wasn't much on character credibility---when the scientist asks the president's daughter to hook up at the end of the movie, she doesn't say "I JUST LOST MY FATHER AND EVERYBODY ELSE I LOVE AND CARE ABOUT IN A WORLDWIDE CATACLYSM, YOU DOLT!"  Thandie Newton just smiles shyly like they're doing a scene from OUR TOWN.<br/><br/>But. Best. Special. Effects. Ever.]]></description>
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<title>UNDER THE DOME: The journey begins... - Message from Sam Wilson</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>Bill Moonroe wrote:</b><br/><br/><u>John, the audiobook is also out. I don't know who the narrator is, but it's a two-volume set in audio. It's two bricks.</u><br/><br/>That would be Raul Esparza, Bill, an actor in Broadway musicals and one of only 2 male actors to be nominated for a Tony in every acting category (4).<br/><br/>Which means, I guess, that if there are any songs Under the Dome, they should be done pretty good. <img src="images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0>]]></description>
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<title>UNDER THE DOME: The journey begins... - Message from Sam Wilson</title>
<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the responses.  Bruce, if it's fast-paced, that's a big plus for me with King, who many a time I'd wish he would just GET ON WITH IT!!!  I've never been that impressed with King's characterizations, which are more "writerly" than reflective of what you'd find in life, though many critics disagree.]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from jimbraiden</title>
<description><![CDATA[Actually Byron most sceptics do not reject global warming- it is the man made part of it that we tend to have our doubts about.<br/><br/>And finding that type of equivelence  coming from you is disappointinf.<br/>I expected better.]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Byron Bailey</title>
<description><![CDATA[<i>The AGW crowd have done enormous damage to the trust the public have in science and the scientific method.<br/>They have cherry picked data, refused access to raw data and methodologies and employed statistical methods that have real statisticians screaming in horror. <br/>And that in the end is what really annoys me about the whole AGW scam- the damage done to science.</i><br/><br/>Most of the people in my neck of the woods who reject global warming also reject evolution.]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from jimbraiden</title>
<description><![CDATA[Mark,<br/>Yes that is pretty poignant.<br/><br/>You have by the way  put your finger on the crux of the matter- trust.<br/><br/>The AGW crowd have done enormous damage  to the trust the  public have in science and the scientific method.<br/>They have cherry picked data, refused access to raw data and methodologies and employed statistical methods that have real statisticians screaming in horror. <br/>And that in the end is what really annoys me about the whole AGW scam- the damage done to science.<br/><br/>If you read through the  items  some of the most damning are a series of emails suggesting possible methods of "freezing out" ( no pun intended) scientific journals that publish  papers from AGW sceptics -thus enabling the supporters of AGW to claim that no peer reviewed papers have appeared in accepted scientific journals.<br/><br/>And it  is about time that the real scientists out there stood up and  defended their calling.<br/><br/>Oh and for those who are interested in just what Phil Jones meant by "Mikes's Nature trick":<br/><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/mikes-nature-trick/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/mikes-nature-trick/</a><br/><br/>A final point.<br/><br/>If I were Phil Jones or Michael Mann I would be very careful what I post in response.<br/><br/>It might just be that those who have posted  these emails and documents are taking a page out ot Andrew Breitbarts  book.<br/><br/>Remember how he played the Acorn scandal?<br/><br/>Release a few tapes and then let your opponents respond-"these tapes prove nothing, isolated incidents etc"<br/>Then hit them with some more emails/films even more damaging than the first ones.<br/><br/>Not saying that's what will happen but it is how I would have  played it.]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Byron Bailey</title>
<description><![CDATA[And I'm poorer by never having seen them live.]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:08:53 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Loki</title>
<description><![CDATA[Sadly, Byron, the passenger pigeon is extinct.  Yet somehow the earth abides...]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:02:53 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Byron Bailey</title>
<description><![CDATA[Plenty of passenger pigeons, too!]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Loki</title>
<description><![CDATA[No need to be shaken and confused, Mark.<br/><br/>The Truth shall set you free!<br/><br/>Just go forth and be skeptical about ALL attempts to use environmental issues to push government aggrandizing.<br/><br/>Psst!  There also plenty of oil and natural gas!]]></description>
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<title>A CUPFUL OF SPACE by Mildred Clingerman - Message from John E. Rogers, Jr.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>Brian Bieniowski</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>Picked up the Clingerman at my local used-book haunt last week, thanks to your recommendation, John.  I enjoy both St. Clair and Henderson, and I had seen the book at the shop for a while, but wasn't sure to bother with it.  What a charming little volume.  Some of it reminds me of John Collier.  This may not be edgy or "serious work," as we consider it today, but I find that I have more and more time for charm, kindness, and sentiment of this nature as the days pass.  It can prevent one from becoming a bore, I think.  I found the Halloween story especially nice—what a fun cartoon strip by Walt Kelly it would make.</div><br/><br/>Hey - glad you liked it, Brian. I agree - perhaps not edgy or serious - but good (and <i>feel </i><i>good</i>) stuff. I won't soon forget the glow I got at the end of <i>Little Witch</i> and <i>Waving</i>. Strange how with age our tolerance for charm, kindness and sentiment grows. Yes, the tales do have a - as they say in real estate - "Collier adjacent" feel to them. Warm without being too sweet. Human without being soft. They could also be classified as "anti-Bowles," meaning that unlike the stories of Paul Bowles, Clingerman's tales admit that there is compassion, yes even love, in the universe  - and argue that existence isn't merely a sequence of soul-robbing and humanity-erasing moments of psychic butchery!<br/><br/><br/><br/>You're dead-on about the Halloween tale. It would indeed have made a great Walt Kelly strip!]]></description>
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<title>UNDER THE DOME: The journey begins... - Message from John E. Rogers, Jr.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>Bruce</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>Funny you'd say that, John. I scored a copy of 'Stinger' and read it prior to 'Under the Dome' which I finished a couple of days ago. I'd read the McCammon a number of years ago and think his last two historical thrillers are the best he's done. 'Stinger' stood up fairly well and, yep, there's a forcefield surrounding the two Texan towns with various aliens milling about wreaking havoc.<br/><br/>As for Mr. King's book: I can't say I'm as delighted with it as a number of critics and readers are. [If you haven't read it, you may want to stop reading this post]. <br/><br/>The central idea is just fine, very Lord of the Flies-ish in theme, the pacing is fast and very suspenseful. On the downside, the characters aren't rendered as believably as you might like, the bad guy is strictly a cardboard, Bible-thumping bush-league despot and the crazed serial-killer conveniently running amuck at the outset would've made Dickens cringe. There's a scene about two-thirds the way in that I thought was foreshadowing what - at least I thought - would've been a satisfying denoument. Mr. King chooses another route replete with mayhem, gore and huge body count. I wanted to really like this one. No comparison to SK's best work.</div><br/><br/>I've heard that same thing - about the historical thrillers - from more than a few people. Maybe I'll give them a look - which one is the better?<br/><br/>I wonder if King has read <i>Stinger</i>?]]></description>
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<title>UNDER THE DOME: The journey begins... - Message from John E. Rogers, Jr.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<b>Bill Moonroe</b> wrote:<br><div class=quote>It's got a beautiful cover.  <br/><br/>John, the audiobook is also out.  I don't know who the narrator is, but it's a two-volume set in audio.  It's two bricks.</div><br/><br/>Thanks, Bill. Say - does your library have the audiobook yet? I'd check myself, but the LA Public Library Online Search Facility hasn't worked for me for months now - no matter what computer I use. I search for a book,  and often find it in the general index, but the little "swirling maelstrom" icon indicating "searching the branches" spins endlessly - and never yields any results. I've basically given up on it - and just go into the branches now and see what's available on the shelves.<br/><br/>If so, let me know what branch - and I'll check it out. I need to finish the <b>unbelievably great</b> <i>Parable of the Sower </i>by Octavia Butler I'm listening to first, though.]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Mark Pontin</title>
<description><![CDATA[However, here, in one very minute comment from one AGW non-scientist supporter, is a snapshot that nakedly puts it all out there -- the blind mewling after semi-religious faith -- as to why the AGW folks cannot easily be trusted by the rest of us. <br/><br/><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/comment-page-2/#comment-142085" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/comment-page-2/#comment-142085</a><br/>Richard C says:<br/>20 November 2009 at 2:35 PM<br/><i><br/>"This is just sad, on so many levels, for so many of us.<br/>I’ve been such a supporter and now this feeling of doubt creeping into me has me shaken and confused."</i><br/><em>edited by Mark Pontin on 11/20/2009</em>]]></description>
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<title>Global Warming Revelations. - Message from Mark Pontin</title>
<description><![CDATA[I've been watching this move out there and into the media, even the BBC, in the last hour. <br/><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8371597.stm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8371597.stm</a><br/>The Real Climate crew have felt compelled to comment already.<br/><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/</a><br/><br/>This will run and run.<br/><br/>That said, the email language is not quite as damning as Neal and y'all wish to claim. <br/><br/>Agreed, the computer climate change models make the financial engineering/risk analysis models that enabled the global economic crash look like models of probity by comparison. Agreed, if you're going to re-order the global economy, it might be nice to have something better than those computer models and you should not shout down anybody wanting to have a discussion about cost/benefit analysis.<br/><br/>On the other hand, the rise of the geoengineering option has finally. forced that cost-benefit analysis on the AGW crew this year. Furthermore, the Greenland ice does continue to melt and the oceans to acidify.]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:56:23 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>A CUPFUL OF SPACE by Mildred Clingerman - Message from Brian Bieniowski</title>
<description><![CDATA[Picked up the Clingerman at my local used-book haunt last week, thanks to your recommendation, John.  I enjoy both St. Clair and Henderson, and I had seen the book at the shop for a while, but wasn't sure to bother with it.  What a charming little volume.  Some of it reminds me of John Collier.  This may not be edgy or "serious work," as we consider it today, but I find that I have more and more time for charm, kindness, and sentiment of this nature as the days pass.  It can prevent one from becoming a bore, I think.  I found the Halloween story especially nice—what a fun cartoon strip by Walt Kelly it would make.]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:47:34 GMT</pubDate>
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